Episode 23

Real Women Real Lives > It’s Not Linear
It’s Not Linear

With Barbara Patterson + Melissa Palazzo-Hart

We’ve all been down paths that, at the time, felt off course or nowhere near where we thought we should be. 

Today, Barb and Melissa discuss their “crooked paths” that led them to exactly where they are now, reminding us that being ‘off course’ is nothing but a trick of the mind.

Are there places you’ve been or directions you might be heading that don’t feel like they line up? Take time to listen to today’s episode—you may feel differently on the other side of this conversation. 

  • Barb talks about a recent interview where she told the interviewer her memory of her eight-year-old self declaring that being an influencer like Leo Buscaglia was her heart’s desire. The start of her “crooked path.” [00:02:20]
  • Melissa, once she recovers from her shock about a declaration Barb makes at the beginning of the recording, shares with us how a Wayne Dyer book not only captivated her interest, but fanned the flame of her heart’s desire to be someone like him. [00:09:11]
  • Melissa shares the windy path she traveled to finally end up with her husband, and the many ways she made her way to where she is now. [00:10:33]
  • Barb suggests how wonderful and helpful it would be to bring hindsight into the here-and-now, instead of under-appreciating what our experiences are actually bringing us. Are we ever really ‘off course’? [00:13:09]
  • Barb acknowledges Melissa’s point about internal suffering comes from thinking there are problems with how our lives are unfolding. [00:14:12]
  • Melissa points out the power of gratitude in where we are at any given moment. [0014:452 ]
  • Our hosts discuss dropping the idea that life is linear. Because it’s not. And we will always get to where we are supposed to get. [0015:43 ]
Do You Have Questions for Barb & Melissa?


Meet Your Hosts

Barbara Patterson is the owner of a global coaching and consulting company bringing the insights of performance and fulfillment to clients around the world. She helps organizations, leaders, entrepreneurs and coaches access more clarity, creativity, have greater impact and higher levels of performance in work and life. Barb is the Founder of Beyond Limits in Business and is hosting the BEYOND LIMITS BUSINESS SUMMIT in Edinburgh Scotland this May.

You can follow Barb on Linkedin, Twitter and Instagram. You can also subscribe to her weekly blog on her website at

Melissa Palazzo-Hart has 25 years’ experience leading marketing, strategy, finance, operations, and talent for some of the most prestigious agencies and brands including Disney, Activision and Omnicom. Throughout her career, she has built campaigns for some of the biggest names in entertainment and media which have been awarded Emmy Awards, Cannes Lion Awards, Effies, Telly Awards, Game Marketing Awards, Broadcast Design Association Gold Awards, and Clio Awards. Melissa is building a movement of paradigm shifters to unlock the potential of their minds to affect change in our world through seeing and living beyond perceived limits. She guides leaders and organizations at the highest levels how to make a meaningful impact through the power of heart work, instead of hard work.

You can follow Melissa on Linkedin and Instagram. You can also subscribe to her weekly blog on her website at


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